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foothead 11-27-2010 03:27 PM

Project GhettoBook (23 inch laptop)
 
After at least 6 months of planning, I think I'm finally ready to begin construction on my 23.6 inch laptop project. If you haven't been keeping up with my plan, I intend to take the electronic components from a laptop and use then plus an ASUS MS248H LED monitor to build a bigger laptop. The case itself will be made of 1/8" black acrylic sheets. I'd rather not give too much away, so I'll leave it at that for now.

The point of this project is to build an easily movable gaming rig, not an ultra-portable computer. I know it's ridiculously impractical, but that just adds to the fun.

I recently purchased a beat up HP DV7 2270us for $250 for this project. Specs are: Core 2 Quad Q9000 @2.0 GHz, 4GB DDR3 @unknown, HD 4650 1GB DDR3. I won't post any more, because the rest of the specs are likely to change before I'm done. Anyway, here's what the screen looked like when I got it:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...1-26024736.jpg

Sorry I don't have a better picture. I thought I had taken one with my good camera, but it turns out I didn't.

Here it is stripped down to just the components I need:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...1-27150348.jpg

And here are some batteries I bought. This thing is gonna use some serious power.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...1-26213413.jpg

I'll post some early sketches as soon as I can get to my sketchpad. It may take a couple days though, because I left it at my dad's house.

Right now, I'm getting ready to order tons more parts for this. Parts I still need to order are 2 U.FL to RP-SMA cables, a couple high gain antennas, 4 sheets of acrylic, a keyboard, a wacom touchpad, a hdd, a powered usb hub, some various wiring and connectors, a usb video card, an ASUS MS248H, PCI fans, some fan grille, rubber feet, lots of acrylic glue, a new webcam lens, some really tight hinges, and some RAMsinks.

Cabbs 11-28-2010 06:49 AM

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Seems like a neat project. One of the pains of having a LAN rig is hauling around a case and monitor separate, this should simplify it.

foothead 11-28-2010 01:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cabbs (Post 1065179)
Seems like a neat project. One of the pains of having a LAN rig is hauling around a case and monitor separate, this should simplify it.

Exactly, and this will also be much lighter/smaller. It'll be nice because I can bring it with me whenever I go to my dad's house.

EDIT: Someone offered to sell me a pair of harman/kardon laptop speakers for $10. Should I get those or stay wit the altec lansing speakers I currently have?

foothead 11-30-2010 01:41 AM

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Well, I seem to have forgotten to check on something important... What torque hinges should I get? I'm thinking something around 10 inch/lbs, but I'm not 100% sure on that figure. Maybe I'll go with a bit more and hope they aren't too tough.

EDIT: How well can I expect these to hold up?

Cabbs 11-30-2010 02:23 PM

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Can't tell you how the speakers compare, but I laptop speakers usually aren't anything to rave about.

I'm not sure about the hinges either. It would be nice if they released the specs for the ones you usually see on laptops.

foothead 11-30-2010 03:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cabbs (Post 1065415)
Can't tell you how the speakers compare, but I laptop speakers usually aren't anything to rave about.

I've heard a few that are pretty good. The Altec Lansing speakers I have now beat my sony desktop speakers I used to use with my iBook, and I've heard good things about the Harman/Kardons and JBLs. The rest seem to be getting better, except for apple. No idea what they're doing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cabbs (Post 1065415)
I'm not sure about the hinges either. It would be nice if they released the specs for the ones you usually see on laptops.

Yeah, I know. If I could figure out what they use on the 19" and 20" laptops, it'd give me a pretty good idea of what I need. All I could really find is that Ben Heck uses 8 in/lb hinges for his xbox laptops, and that took me like an hour to find.

Cabbs 11-30-2010 11:13 PM

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Do you know the weight of the monitor Ben used and the monitor you're using? If you have those two numbers it should give you a ballpark.

foothead 12-01-2010 03:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cabbs (Post 1065451)
Do you know the weight of the monitor Ben used and the monitor you're using? If you have those two numbers it should give you a ballpark.

I have no idea how much his weighed. Mine should be about 5 pounds.

I asked my dad, and he calculated that I would need about 16 inch/pounds. I guess that's what I'll be going with.

aPanzerIV 12-01-2010 04:54 PM

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Awesome, cant wait to see it all come together. you bought that laptop for $250?

01001010 12-01-2010 07:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foothead (Post 1065419)
I've heard a few that are pretty good. The Altec Lansing speakers I have now beat my sony desktop speakers I used to use with my iBook, and I've heard good things about the Harman/Kardons and JBLs. The rest seem to be getting better, except for apple. No idea what they're doing.

They are not JBL quality.

foothead 12-01-2010 07:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1065535)
Awesome, cant wait to see it all come together. you bought that laptop for $250?

Thanks. I can't wait either. I should be ordering components tonight (waiting for check to clear...), and yep, the DV7 was $250. It came with a broken screen, huge scuffs on the inside of the case, a missing key, non working mouse buttons, and a 40GB HDD because the original was destroyed in the "accident." I kinda wish I knew what the "accident" was, because it looked like it got thrown out of a moving car or something.

foothead 12-02-2010 10:25 PM

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I'm working on the batteries until the rest of the supplies come in.

Before:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-02203235.jpg

Here's one of the battery packs when opened:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-02204029.jpg

Here it is with the cells from the other pack added. It now has twelve cells.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-02221432.jpg

18 cell pack is done!

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-02232153.jpg

I'm reading 18.73 VDC on the 12 cell, 18.48 VDC on the 18. It works!

EDIT: W00T! It's taking a charge! Based on my calculations, it should take 9 hours. LOL, that's the downside of adding so many extra cells.

LOL, this is pure epicness. http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-03041237.jpg

01001010 12-03-2010 09:30 PM

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Are you sure you know what you're doing? Batteries are extremely dangerous and shouldn't be taken apart.

foothead 12-04-2010 02:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 01001010 (Post 1065741)
Are you sure you know what you're doing?

All I'm really doing is adding more cells in parallel with the originals. It's pretty basic stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 01001010 (Post 1065741)
Batteries are extremely dangerous and shouldn't be taken apart.

I have to disagree here. What difference does it make if I buy a laptop battery and use the cells from it instead of buying the cells individually and using them? Or are you saying that the use of lithium ion batteries period is dangerous? In that case, I also have to disagree because they only explode when shorted for long period of time, which is pretty difficult to do if you have even the slightest bit of common sense.

aPanzerIV 12-05-2010 01:04 PM

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Nice, you know how long that laptop mobo will run on those bateries? Yeah, probably dropped out the side of a car and hit the ground screen first, shattering it, then skidded down the highway shortly after. what kind of case you going to use?

foothead 12-05-2010 06:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1065801)
Nice, you know how long that laptop mobo will run on those bateries? Yeah, probably dropped out the side of a car and hit the ground screen first, shattering it, then skidded down the highway shortly after. what kind of case you going to use?

The mobo alone would run 27 hours with the batteries (assuming I add the 24 cell one). once I put a monitor, I've really no idea.

I doubt the laptop was actually thrown from a car. I was just using that to try to describe the level of the damage.

aPanzerIV 12-05-2010 09:08 PM

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27 hours, lol, almost like an ipod, well, for regular use.

A 23" screen will definatly bring that time down to say, 18 hrs?

The car theory would be pretty realistic, falls out smashes the screen, makes giant scuff marks everywhere. Although that wouldnt explain the Hard drive, speaking of which:

Maybe a small ssd as a boot drive(fast, cheap and reliable found here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226168), one of the cheapest ones out there, pretty fast, and looks to be pretty good quality.

And then a Large, but fast Hdd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148599

drives over a TB were alot slower(5200-5400)

got a design for the case?

foothead 12-05-2010 09:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1065871)
27 hours, lol, almost like an ipod, well, for regular use.

A 23" screen will definatly bring that time down to say, 18 hrs?

More like 10-12 hours.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1065871)
The car theory would be pretty realistic, falls out smashes the screen, makes giant scuff marks everywhere. Although that wouldnt explain the Hard drive

It takes very little shock to kill a running hard drive. Considering that the inside of the case was scuffed, I'd say it's pretty safe to say it was running at the time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1065871)
Maybe a small ssd as a boot drive(fast, cheap and reliable found here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226168), one of the cheapest ones out there, pretty fast, and looks to be pretty good quality.

And then a Large, but fast Hdd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148599

drives over a TB were alot slower(5200-5400)

LOL, I cannot afford that. I'm going with a single 500GB 7200.4 because it's available for $50-60. I'll eventually add a second drive, but 500GB is plenty for now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1065871)
got a design for the case?

Yep. I'm waiting for the material to arrive. I ordered 4 ft ^2 of 1/8 inch black textured ABS. Should be plenty. All I need now is to find someone with either a CNC mill or a laser cutting system to cut the side pieces. I'm really dreading having to do those because they are curved somewhat, and there need to be tons of precisely cut holes.

foothead 12-07-2010 11:24 PM

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Got a package from the UPS today.

Rosewill RK-7431

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-07230840.jpg

Here's the faceplate removed. I'm going to have to use this as a template for the inner lid so everything lines up.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-07230916.jpg

And here is the keyboard removed entirely from its case.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-07231859.jpg

It's like this thing was designed for modding. The keyboard itself is all mounted to a very thin metal plate, much like a normal laptop keyboard. It also uses a removable ribbon cable, and the indicator lights are separate from the main board so they can be relocated.

BTW, sorry for the huge mess on my desk. That's what happens you've got three major projects going on at once, and only one tiny desk.

foothead 12-09-2010 12:05 AM

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Finally got the HP battery open to pull the charging circuit. That was total BS, it took me over an hour to get to it, and I completely destroyed the case in the process. Turns out HP had used epoxy to hold the seams shut because they were too cheap/lazy to use a couple screws.

Here's the battery: http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-08235427.jpg

Here's what the case looks like: http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-08235526.jpg


My ABS sheets came in today. Cutting will probably begin on Saturday.

Grantofhell 12-09-2010 05:00 PM

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Post for sub. Nice work so far.

aPanzerIV 12-09-2010 06:10 PM

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Nice KB, got a sketch of the design?

foothead 12-09-2010 09:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Grantofhell (Post 1066439)
Post for sub. Nice work so far.

Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1066450)
Nice KB, got a sketch of the design?

I do, but it's pretty awful. The main point of the sketch is to keep the dimensions straight.

I've got a 3D model though. This way, I can actually test the dimensions, instead of just guessing them. It also gives me a much better idea of how it will look when complete.

top:
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-09102418.jpg

back:
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-09102434.jpg

side:
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-09102449.jpg

lid open. Evil doggie disapproves.
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-09102755.jpg

and of course, here is the obligatory comparison to a "normal" laptop.
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-09102912.jpg

foothead 12-09-2010 10:08 PM

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Got some packages today.

DVD drive faceplate:
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-09145209.jpg

As you can see, it fit perfectly.

Antennas
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-09220107.jpg

Wacom bamboo touch
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-09220204.jpg

Spazz attack USB hub
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...2-09220225.jpg

Surprisingly, I was able to put seven devices on the USB hub without external power, and it still didn't give me any power warnings. That'll make things a lot easier.

FFFFFFUUUUUUU!!!!!!!! I took apart the wacom tablet to get the dimensions, and now it won't work. All it does is spazz out and make random gestures when I touch it. Of course, this happens right after I void the warranty. Oh well, at least it isn't too expensive for a new one.

I'm actually more angry that it left my system like this:

http://content.screencast.com/users/...12-10_0040.png

How do I fix this? It's driving me crazy right now.

VINMAN46 12-12-2010 08:43 AM

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looking nice
How much is this thing gonna weight?

detox 12-12-2010 01:00 PM

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here is a basic explanation for the hinges. And it comes down to how easy or hard you want the lid to open.
say the height of the monitor is 12inchs, and ONE hinge is rated for 12in/lbs, this means at the very top of the screen it will take one lbs to open the lid.
so with two hinges rated at 12in/lbs each, it will take two lbs to open the lid from the top.
or two hinges at 6in/lbs will take one lbs to open the lid.... that make sense?

lhamil64 12-12-2010 03:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foothead (Post 1066469)
Got some packages today.
FFFFFFUUUUUUU!!!!!!!! I took apart the wacom tablet to get the dimensions, and now it won't work. All it does is spazz out and make random gestures when I touch it. Of course, this happens right after I void the warranty. Oh well, at least it isn't too expensive for a new one.

I'm actually more angry that it left my system like this:

http://content.screencast.com/users/...12-10_0040.png

How do I fix this? It's driving me crazy right now.

You can press Ctrl+0 to revert back to the standard zoom level, or Ctrl+scroll up to zoom back in.

foothead 12-12-2010 08:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VINMAN46 (Post 1066770)
looking nice
How much is this thing gonna weight?

Probably about 10-15 pounds. It depends on how many batteries I end up with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by detox (Post 1066846)
here is a basic explanation for the hinges. And it comes down to how easy or hard you want the lid to open.
say the height of the monitor is 12inchs, and ONE hinge is rated for 12in/lbs, this means at the very top of the screen it will take one lbs to open the lid.
so with two hinges rated at 12in/lbs each, it will take two lbs to open the lid from the top.
or two hinges at 6in/lbs will take one lbs to open the lid.... that make sense?

Thanks. That helps a lot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lhamil64 (Post 1066872)
You can press Ctrl+0 to revert back to the standard zoom level, or Ctrl+scroll up to zoom back in.

Thanks.



Quick update: I didn't get any work done this weekend. I had intended to cut the acrylic, then I saw a better monitor at conns. I'm going to have to adjust dimensions for it. Model is AOC e2343F. This one is a few millimeters thinner than the ASUS, and the actual electronics are in the stand. This way, I won't have to solder like 68347593025 wires to the LCD in order to relocate it.

Oh, and it has this:
Quote:

an ultra-high dynamic contrast ratio of 50,000,000:1
50 million to 1 contrast. LOL, I bet it's 1500:1 at the very most.

http://www.loopygadgets.com/wp-conte...t-Monitors.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com//uploads/10059/4845.jpg

foothead 12-14-2010 04:54 AM

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Monitor has been ordered.

http://content.screencast.com/users/...12-13_1932.png

Anyone know how long it takes for Frys to ship?

VINMAN46 12-14-2010 02:11 PM

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got that same monitor for my brothers Christmas gift looked really sharp on the instore model

foothead 12-15-2010 10:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VINMAN46 (Post 1067215)
got that same monitor for my brothers Christmas gift looked really sharp on the instore model

Agreed. I looked at the 21.5 inch model at Conns, and the blacks were very good, and whites were amazing. The colors weren't the best, but they were still better than most TN panels.

I've been doing some more battery modding. I managed to get a third external battery shipped in from a different radioshack, so I took the cells out of it and added them to the 12 cell pack. I have two more Toshiba 9 cell packs on the way to use with the leftover charging circuit.

Picture time!

The pack as it came:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC153929.jpg

Opened up:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC153930.jpg

This one has different cells than the other two. I did some research and the specs seem to be the same, so it should work. If they do die prematurely, it'll only cost $23, so I'm not that worried.

Here's the bare PCB:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC153942.jpg

The old cells rigged up into 2 x 6 cell packs:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC153932.jpg

The new cells rigged up. All 6 are in parallel.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC153934.jpg

All wired up:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC153936.jpg

This is starting to get epic.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC153937.jpg




I also found a CF reader at office depot for 94 cents, so I decided to add it.

Here it is stripped down to the PCB:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC153945.jpg

Card in place:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC153944.jpg

aPanzerIV 12-16-2010 09:36 AM

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Good lord Foothead, how many batteries are you going to shove in there?

My camera came with a patheticly useless 16mb CF stick...

foothead 12-16-2010 09:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1067457)
Good lord Foothead, how many batteries are you going to shove in there?

62.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1067457)
My camera came with a patheticly useless 16mb CF stick...

LOL! That wouldn't even hold one picture. You can get an 8GB really cheap. I think I paid $25 for mine.

I got my monitor in today.

The monitor still in its case. Sorry for the weird angle, my camera's autofocus hates LCD panels.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163970.jpg

Side shot. This thing is thin.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163969.jpg

Here is what is inside the base.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163971.jpg

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163974.jpg

Here's the panel itself. It's amazingly thin.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163976.jpg

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163977.jpg

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163978.jpg

The touch sensitive buttons. Anyone know how these things work? I want to replace them with tact switches.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163979.jpg

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163980.jpg

And, I got a little bonus. It turns out that the hinge has enough range of motion to be used on the laptop. I'll probably dremel it in half to make two separate hinges.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC163982.jpg


I now have the exact dimensions of the monitor, so cutting can begin this weekend. W00T!

foothead 12-19-2010 08:03 PM

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Quick update: My dad decided to let me use his tools today. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get there until 3:00, and it got dark about 5:30, so little got done apart from making the rig for the saw. Anyway, here are pictures:

Here's the rig we came up with. It's really simple, but the cuts are perfect.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC193995.jpg

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC193996.jpg

Unfortunately, the table saw did not work out, so this was our only option. The plastic would travel up the blade of the table saw and come out crooked.

The piece we made was the LCD bezel. The outer edges have 45 degree beveling, but the inner edges don't. I intend to sand them down by hand.

How we cut the inner edge:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC193998.jpg

It came out with some small pieces left in each corner, so I hacksawed them in half.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC193999.jpg

Success!

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC194001.jpg


My dad is off work next Thursday, so we should have time to finish. Until then, I'm going to be working on the metal frame.

EDIT: Got some sanding done.

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC194003.jpg

Sorry for blurry pic. My camera's autofocus was being ornery and I don't have enough hands to do manual while holding the bezel up.

JCB 12-20-2010 02:41 PM

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nice project, thanks for writing up, I like the way you have done the batterys

foothead 12-20-2010 03:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JCB (Post 1068096)
nice project, thanks for writing up, I like the way you have done the batterys

Thanks. Everyone keeps saying the batteries look like a bomb, lol.

I'm doing a dry run right now with two of the battery packs I made. I don't trust them to supply more than 35W, so I won't dare plug the HP battery in right now, but at least I know it'll work.


BTW, sorry for the photos going down. My bandwidth got pwned when I was featured on hackaday earlier this month. They should be up again tomorrow.

aPanzerIV 12-21-2010 11:14 AM

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Lol 62 batteries... Nice lcd btw. Amazingly, that 16mb stick holds 23 pictures with this POS Kodak Easy-Tard. I want my cybershot back >:C

foothead 12-21-2010 01:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1068233)
Lol 62 batteries... Nice lcd btw.

32 of the batteries were able to run the mobo for ~6 hours last night. I should get 2 hours out of the HP pack, and the remaining batteries should be about right for just the LCD. So I'm looking at ~8 hour battery life. Not that spectacular, but it's a whole lot better than the ~45 minutes I'm used to from my iBook.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aPanzerIV (Post 1068233)
Amazingly, that 16mb stick holds 23 pictures with this POS Kodak Easy-Tard. I want my cybershot back >:C

Wow... Pictures from my evolt 410 tend to take ~15 MB. And they're only 10MP.

Test run photo:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/PC204010.jpg

Everything (except the LCD) is running off battery power.

VINMAN46 12-21-2010 02:19 PM

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looking good so far
looks like alot of work too much for me -_-

foothead 12-21-2010 03:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VINMAN46 (Post 1068244)
looking good so far

Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VINMAN46 (Post 1068244)
looks like alot of work too much for me -_-

Yep. I spend a couple hours a day on it usually. I kinda enjoy the work though, so it isn't a problem.


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