So you are saying a home owner is allowed by law to wire a flex lead?
You are saying home owners are allowed to attach these devices to meters?
An unqualified person is not allowed to work on any electrical installation or attach any equipment to a permanent electrical installation.
Typical electrical engineer, read your regulations, matter of fact quote what a home owner/user can do, post up your references to the regs.
If you are saying UK has highest safety standards in the world then your comments concern me as to what a home owner can do with this equipment, regs do not allow it for very good reason.
Rules & Regulations were written for a very good reason suggest you do a read up on them, obviously you don't know them from your comments stated here.
OBTW these two links provided by you are not for unqualified people to play with, so much for your safety standards.
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Need I say more when you made your first post encouraging an unqualified person to fit these, you kind of admitted in that post it could be dangerous.
You say you doubt my knowledge, I certainly doubt you on your safety & lack of understanding electrical regulations codes.
Bah humbug.... Here we go again:
So you are saying a home owner is allowed by law to wire a flex lead?
Correct, I'm talking about a flex, not a behind the wall cable. A flex is a flex, a cable is a cable - I'm being pedantic on my terminology for a reason - otherwise mistakes and misinterpretations happen. For instance, if you wished to replace a flex from the plug to a washing machine, yes, you are perfectly, by law, allowed to replace this. Now, laws don't typically give consent - they usually forbid or restrict, so perhaps you should post a law that forbids such work to be carried out by a home user - after all you are the one making continuous claims that no-one can do anything.
An unqualified person is not allowed to work on any electrical installation or attach any equipment to a permanent electrical installation
Again, being pedantic, you have to be careful. For instance, here in Scotland the terminology is competent, not qualified. Although, I would, like yourself, suggest that qualified is very important. This is law, if you are competent, and meet the standards, you can wire in your own system here - and this can be checked by the local council to give you a certificate of conformity or such like.
But I digress, I fail to see why installing a CT based current monitoring energy meter would need to abide by this, and I disagree with the term (that I believe you have added just to satisfy this case) "or attach any equipment to"... otherwise we'd all have to be qualified to plug in our wares.
Typical electrical engineer, read your regulations, matter of fact quote what a home owner/user can do, post up your references to the regs.
Very little known, and yet often argued upon, fact (yet clearly defined in the BS 7671 Wiring Regs Introduction itself) is that they are not legally binding regulations (I.E. Non-statutory). They are best practises so to speak. Infact, the only regulations that cover home installations are the building regulations, and I've covered that above in relation to Scotland.
For England, part P of the building regulations states:
"that anyone carrying out electrical work in a dwelling must ensure that reasonable provision has been made in the design and installation of the electrical installations in order to protect any persons who might use, maintain or alter the electrical installation of that dwelling from fire and injury, including electric shock."
Again, you are not required to use a qualified person for installation, but will require a certificate that can be provided post installation by the authorities.
Ironically, sometimes these wiring regs need to be cast aside, as they don't cover every possibility.
But again, I fail to see where this needs to be abided to in relation to these energy meters.
Listen, this just isn't cricket. I never came on here to argue, I came on here to provide a solution, and I have. You constantly have tried to argue, you have title dropped, you have assumed points of law now that I disagree with (And you are free to pull up the legislation too you know), and in addition I now find that you have completely lied (Those home energy meters that you said are illegal in Australia - no they are not!) - you have now gotten completely confused with Smart Meters and these Energy Meters - they are not the same thing - I don't even understand how a "qualified" electrician would confuse these two. You were under the impression that he would need to work with bare tails - surely it's was obvious to you that this is not a requirement with CTs - as an electrician have you not used a clip-on current meter? I don't intend to bring you into disrepute - but it's difficult to avoid as I very much doubt that you are indeed an electrician - or at least an experienced one.
I am happy to warn people of all the dangers of anything that has anything to do with electricity - no matter how small. I would give the warnings to someone wiring a plug, as you need to be very aware. It boils down to this: I will warn anyone of doing any work in regards to electrical, or even IT as per this site, to ensure that they are 100% self-aware of what they are doing.
If you are saying UK has highest safety standards in the world then your comments concern me as to what a home owner can do with this equipment, regs do not allow it for very good reason.
I said arguably, and it's definitely up there near the top. But, I've covered this point somewhat - statutory law is far more laxed than most would assume, and the Building Regulations are what cover it. And ultimately, you can do it yourself as long as it's safe and ultimately, if you need it, you get a certificate from the local authority. Here, in the UK at least.
Rules & Regulations were written for a very good reason suggest you do a read up on them, obviously you don't know them from your comments stated here.
Correct - but it also isn't rocket science or working with nerve gas. And the regulations reflect this. You're free, of course, to provide links to the contrary - and bear in mind I'm dealing with the facts of the matter in this case, not necessarily my personal opinion.
OBTW these two links provided by you are not for unqualified people to play with, so much for your safety standards.
Really, says who? Because it looks professional?
Ultimately though, as I'll go over again, these kits, that you claim are illegal in Australia (When talking about Smart Meters, the reason for their ban is completely unrelated to Health & Safety, they're illegal due to invasion of privacy), are supplied by every Tom, Dick, and Harry for Joe Bloggs to install themselves. These people don't like liability, they don't like bad press, they don't like fucking things up. Are you seriously putting yourself at odds with all these and their teams of engineers and lawyers? Are you seriously stating that they are all wrong and you are right?
If so you spout utter non-sense!
As I'll reiterate again, in the most dangerous case, that he uses the separate meter and CT's, as long as he wires in the CT to the meter first (remember our comparison to replacing a flex, for instance on a washing machine - you're not going to plug that in before you wire it now, are you??), then clips on the CT to the FULLY INSULATED tails to the meter, there is no safety issue.
Now, your right in one regard - if he's not happy doing it himself, he can if he wishes get an electrician to do it for him. Just like, if someone wasn't up for it, anyone could get an electrician to replace a light bulb or light socket.
One more rock that needs to be looked under though: This idea that a permanent installation needs a qualified installer - since when? Define a permanent installation and then what is it's relation to this? We are not adding a new circuit (that would only need the above building regs to be respected anyway). We are not extending an existing circuit. We are not interfering with an existing circuit. We are adding a separate device, not any more complex than a thermostat, and clipping in onto a fully insulated tail that will not affect the circuit, or its safety, in anyway. This is no different or anymore permanent that installing and plugging in a washing machine.
But let's go back 500 miles and get to the OP's problem. I've provided a solution, it's a fitting one, it does what is required, and ultimately, if he's unsure, he can get someone else to fit it, as you say. You've did nothing but spout nonsense from the first reply to my post... I notice that you failed to concede numerous points that you were blatantly malformed about (inferring the need for bare tails for example for use with CT's), yet you continue to try and correct me and have opened yourself up to expose more ignorance - bottom line is, as far as I'm concerned, you are still ignorant of the system we are talking about here, lack the understanding of the theory, and now you have demonstrated a lack understanding of the legality of any wiring system we have spokent about: Even not able to differentiate between smart meters and these energy meters.
“Typical electrical engineer�!, Typical Electrician – knows how to do something, but not why it's done… Good going.
Although, I doubt very much that you are an electrician at all...