I fail to see how you believe a computer can tell the difference between a cat and a dog.
Because as I've said, and Root said, it's usually people signing up to get around the pictures/sounds then once the account is registered unleashing the bot.
I fail to see how you believe a computer can tell the difference between a cat and a dog.
I missed that one...
but I guess what you're saying is that if ten people click a reported post that it should disappear from the forum? or at least be moved to a moderation queue ready for the mods of David to either approve or disapprove?
that's all well and good, but...
do ten people actually report posts? no, usually not, sometimes we get multiple reports for a single bit of spam, but usually it'd be cleared by the time it's been reported a few times.
(I'm assuming that you mean ten individual users have to report the post).
then what happens? is that one post taken away? very good if it's just a regular member who's posted something inappropriate, but useless for dealing with spammers who are posting loads.
or do all their posts get moderated? great for getting rid of all the spam from a single account, but very bad if a member has made one inappropriate comment, or gotten into a bit of a 'heated debate'.
Thus the reason you implement multiple algorithms for stopping spam...Because as I've said, and Root said, it's usually people signing up to get around the pictures/sounds then once the account is registered unleashing the bot.
You guys are so defensive, you'd think we were trying to take your job/title away from you guys. If anything we are trying to make your jobs easier and our forum experience better.
Defensive? No. We just know what we are really dealing with. Most of the spam we get now is generated by humans registering then botting their account. Algorithms would not stop that.
All the more reason we should implement a post count rule as described in prior threads. Why are you so against implementing something like this? If it COULD help then why not? Do you realize you what you are arguing for?
Here's an idea of an algorithm that might, kind of like the above but a bit different.Defensive? No. We just know what we are really dealing with. Most of the spam we get now is generated by humans registering then botting their account. Algorithms would not stop that.
I mean no disrespect to any of you, Root, you Celegorm, or AR in this discussion by the way. I respect the fact that you take time out of your lives to not only contribute your opinions to the forum but moderate it as well.Because it would annoy people (like me) who are here legitimately to have to go thru loops and bounds just to prove I am actually here with good intentions. Things like that turn people away.
Yes, I am well aware of what I am arguing for as it's my job here to clean up the spam. That said, I'd rather make it easy for people to join and post to get help (with pictures, links and freedom to post where needed) and deal with the little bit of extra spam. I feel this way because I know that I would never have joined here if I had to post x number of times to actually get the help I needed.
If you would like, I can make you a moderated member and you can see for yourself what it'd be like for these potential new people if we implement it. I'd set it for two weeks to give you a small feel for it.
so it does nothing to help when existing members get involved in flame wars?Who said ten people would have to report it?
I was thinking more along the lines of 3.
This feature would not be used for normal returning members. Only new members would be under this watch. (under say ~30-40 posts)
Right...Thus the reason you implement multiple algorithms for stopping spam...
The picture captcha is only one of them. This would stop actual bots not human "leashed" bots if you will.
You guys are so defensive, you'd think we were trying to take your job/title away from you guys. If anything we are trying to make your jobs easier and our forum experience better.
Instead of coming up with many ways a particular captcha system will not work why not try and come up with new ones?
perhaps you could explain exactly how this system would work?All the more reason we should implement a post count rule as described in prior threads. Why are you so against implementing something like this? If it COULD help then why not? Do you realize you what you are arguing for?
OK, I like that you're saying that the rep bars need to come into play, it's not particularly easy to accumulate rep, so this is quite a cool way of trying to cut down abuse.Say just 3 users with (for instance) over 5 bars of rep reported something as spam. If the user has, say <5 posts that account could then be temporarily disabled and the post temporarily removed until a mod can come in and assess the situation. If the user has >5 posts then the post could just be temporarily removed but the account left open (since it's more likely it's a heated comment if it's a user with more posts.)