Yeah to compare those cards is kinda unfair. Whoever said 9600GT sucks does not realize the price compared to the 8800GT. For $180 you get a superclocked 9600GT that performs better and runs cooler than say ATI HD3870 which costs $220 right now (dropping to $190). The graphics are great for the price and can overclock with stock air pretty good. I just picked this card up yesterday because of the benchmarks of the superclocked version. (I had a ATI X700 Pro before that)