Quinton McLeod said:
The AM2 has only been "said", but not proven. The performance ratio is a rumor; nothing more.
No one is saying you're supposed to stop and hope for anything. However, it seems you've already stopped and hoped that Conroe will be the end of AMD 6 months before it's released. Explain to me what this hypocritical line of thinking is.
I never said that AM2 would beat Intel. AMD as a whole is who is in question here.
I'm telling people to "shut up and buy now". There is no point waiting 6 months for a processor that may or may not deliver. Intel has done this before. If you're going to wait for the Conroe, then you might as well wait forever.
Even Rahul Sood found something odd with the benchmarks. They were closed systems that featured many problems. You cannot use Intel's benchmark as a way to prove you're right. There's nothing you can say until the processor is released.
And Intel IS scared. If they weren't scared, they wouldn't have released information on a product that isn't supposed to be released in another 6 months.
Me quit being a fanboy? You're one of the biggest Intel fanboys I've seen on here
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You pretty much wanted table scraps and you have them. They say very little about what is to come 6 months from now. So, while you're sitting in your window, staring down a open field filled with flowers and blue skies; just wishing for Conroe, I'll be sitting with my Opteron 165 and OC'ing it straight to kingdom come. Thank you very much
It's the assumption you have with AM2 - but yes I've stopped for Conroe. Because personally, I didn't really have plans to upgrade anytime soon, but Conroe gives me one more reason to wait - since I don't even really have a reason to upgrade right now anyway - in fact, I'm not likely to upgrade even when Conroe first hits the market. And for someone who's looking to upgrade - he has a right to know if something that comes out about 4 months from now is going to be better than his system, for less.
You seem to have been quite infatuated with AMD - since you're banking on AM2 like Intel fans (At the end of Northwood) banked on their own little "upgrade," known as Prescott. Like I said, we need to keep an open mind where AM2 is concerned, but speculating and "hoping" on AM2 is even less than it is for enthusiasts being excited about Conroe.
And no, the idea of waiting "forever" for an upgrade is ridiculous to say the least - great disappointment comes from buying a Willamette only 4 months before Northwood came out - the fact of the matter is, you don't buy something you
know is going to get phased out soon. Given AMD's current stance, it is assumed that the purchase of a Conroe will give you something competitive for longer than the 4-5 months (Unlike an AMD purchase now). But everyone is hoping AMD has something up its sleeve - AM2, even though we do not know the exact performance benefit it may provide, is not something a lot of AMD people are waiting on. What we really want to know is about AMD's next architecture - it's next big leap.
Rahul... Oh please, just because one guy who banks on AMD sales has doubts regarding the benchmarks doesn't make them well-founded - everyone
is waiting for the Conroe launch benchmarks - the point is, you're telling everyone they're idiots for being excited about new technology. You're not an enthusiast, you're a fanboy under the guise of being a technological enthusiast. You talk negatively about anything Intel and sneer at Conroe-based praise by saying "Wait till it comes out, loser." What if you're wrong then? You'll have spent months being an ignorant ass to enthusiasts and fanboys alike and maybe you'll have to spend the next few months hiding in a dark corner. What if us enthusiasts are wrong and the Conroe isn't as good as it was benchmarked right now? Well then I, for one, will admit I was wrong about my speculation. It would be unfortunate were Intels new architecture, which is such an incredible improvement (In terms of efficiency and "performance per watt") over NetBurst, is not as good as previously shown. A huge company like Intel, does not exhibit the emotion known as "fear," contrary to popular belief. They might however, be frustrated with the fact that NetBurst lost the performance crown and while making this new architecture, Intel has been trying to adjust NetBurst to compete accordingly, to no positive end.
Nah, I will wait for Conroe because my current system easily provides me with the computing experience I require - I'm not made of money, and so I'm not going to become impulsive and spend money on power I don't really need when I know that AMD's architectural response to Conroe - and Conroe itself - are only four months away from production. I'm waiting on information for AMD because I'm looking forward to their answer to Conroe - and personally, AM2 is a farcry and a stop-gap, and not the "answer" I'm looking for. I'm looking forward to the future of AMD. Any true enthusiast looks at Conroe's benchmarks with excitement and optimism - because we care about the power of the hardware - and not the name it is manufactured under. For anyone who shouts out in opposition to Conroe, you have no reason to do so unless you're an AMD fanboy. Because you resent the Intel name - so what? It was a little benchmark that
should be taken with a grain of salt - and we're
all waiting on Conroe's launch - but you have no reason to call it junk unless you feel your love for AMD is threatened by the launch of a superior processor from the other side.
We all know that Conroe may not deliver the performance it's promising in the benchmarks - but for the sake of a new processor, regardless of brand, improving our computing experience (And gaming experience) - we true enthusiasts choose to look at it in a positive light. If it doesn't deliver? Fine, then the true enthusiasts would stick with AMD processors - if it does, fantastic. We're all going to be watching the launch benchmarks like hawks anyway - so insulting the thought of waiting for what could probably be superior to a current build, is just ignorant.
I would rather have table scraps than to starve waiting for the faint hope of food, fanboy. AM2 has even less to show us than the Conroe benchmarks - we have mere technological speculation for AM2's performance numbers. And a lot of enthusiasts aren't pleased with a move to DDR2, either. It could bring some very positive aspects to the AMD front - but it could bring a negative experience to a lot of average users. The high latency of higher bandwidth DDR2 is not all that positive for an AMD build - and AMD is not bandwidth-starved like NetBurst.