iPod still is the best. All that bullshit about battery life is stupid. The iPod's battery life is up to 12hrs at 192KBPS playback, while the ZEN (pardon the name relation) is at 18 at 128KBPS. They are equal, and the iPod is built better, since its dumb faceplate doesn't fall off. It is sleek, small, cool looking, HP has customizable fronts for it, and the Lithium Cell battery lasts A LONG TIME (something like 5-7 years)