Apple vs The PC

[jac006]

u said it.

 

[The_Necromancer1]

well said Giancarlo, hey wy are you not a moderator????

 

[Lord Kalthorn]

What a load of crap! The Athlon 64 pwns the crappy G5. I already posted benchmarks which show the Dual 2.5GHZ G5 can't even defeat a single processor P4. You are way off dude. HL2 was not made on Macs, and nor was Doom3. what kind of crack are you on?

The G5 doesn't even lead in Photoshop anymore. IT is ridiculous. The fastest PC in the world is the Athlon 64 Fx-55. No doubts about it. Only fools would doubt me.

Intel Itanium2s?

I think Giancarlo should be a Moderator. It would be quite interesting; he would be good.

 

[Help ME]

I despise apple pc's =)

 

[TibsBeatAll]

moderator's, blah.

 

[Giancarlo]

Intel Itanium2s?

I think Giancarlo should be a Moderator. It would be quite interesting; he would be good.

Itanium2s can kiss my behind.

And no, I would reject any moderatorship offer. I'm not looking to moderate any forums at this time.

 

[DarkBlade1]

AHAHHAH!! The G5 is the fastest home computer in existance... and here is why!

It has a single chip to control FSB and it runs both processors with 4 lanes each, allowing independent busses and complete speed control. Not only that, but with the dual processors, it can shatter performance standards. Also, the 64bit archietechture is taken to full advantage with the 64bit FSB line...The G5 processors are optimized with FSB controller to create a single lane, but with 8 ways capabilities. No Opteron or AMD64 or P4EE or Xeon can touch that unified BUS strcuture on independent variable busses for each processor!!! NOTHING!!

ANd only Apple can do this!!:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=Macmini

Ok, so a PC this small is unbelieveable.... Shuttle has nothing on that thing!!

 

[The_Necromancer1]

humm, I did not think this would get so many responses.

 

[Giancarlo]

AHAHHAH!! The G5 is the fastest home computer in existance... and here is why!

It has a single chip to control FSB and it runs both processors with 4 lanes each, allowing independent busses and complete speed control. Not only that, but with the dual processors, it can shatter performance standards. Also, the 64bit archietechture is taken to full advantage with the 64bit FSB line...The G5 processors are optimized with FSB controller to create a single lane, but with 8 ways capabilities. No Opteron or AMD64 or P4EE or Xeon can touch that unified BUS strcuture on independent variable busses for each processor!!! NOTHING!!

ANd only Apple can do this!!:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=Macmini

Ok, so a PC this small is unbelieveable.... Shuttle has nothing on that thing!!

This is wrong for several reasons. Though Apple runs both processors with 4 lanes each, it is inefficient and inadeuqate. It is also based on antiquated architecture and is a piece of crap. I will dispute this with the proper sites. The G5 sucks donkey balls, and don't even meet the AMD64 in any tests. It is defeated in 95% of the tests and benchmarks and you need to start accepting the facts. And you cannot provide an Apple site as evidence. You are so full of yourself and full of crap. Why are you even a moderator? The G5 IS NOT the fastest computer in existence. You need to be corrected, you dumb fool. The G5 is a piece of crap, and those who defend it don't know that they are being fooled big time:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/24/apple_accused_of_cheating_over/

And apparently they aren't selling well:

http://www.macnn.com/news/23857

And the corrections begin:

http://www.macnn.com/news/21578&startNumber=10

(These are pro-Mac sources, yet the second macnn link shows that the Athlon 64 beats the G5... oops! Dual G5 I mean... double ouch!)

The true facts:

http://pcversusmac.com/64bit.htm

The real benchmarks showing Apples tendency to lag totally:

http://pcversusmac.com/benchmarks.htm

Now onto to the crappy 2.5GHz G5:

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/G5.ars/9

"Price. It's fast, but it's also expensive
Only two hard drive bays and one optical drive bay
Only 3 PCI slots
Very large enclosure
ATI Radeon 9600XT as the default video card
No 64-bit version of Mac OS X yet ;-)"

ATI Radeon 9600XT? Is this what we call performance?

I just made an idiot of you AMD ZEN.

And the source you have been all waiting for:

Single AMD 64 3200+ versus Dual 2.5GHz G5.

"As you know, the (edited out)job has a huge system that was taking me over 10 minutes to do a full recompile on my laptop. Arguably this substantial waste of time was what drove the final decision to purchase the G5.

So on my Athlon64, a full rebuild and recompile--which involves a LOT of XML processing as well as Java compiling--took 2 minutes and 29 seconds. On the Mac it took 2 minutes 49 seconds.

Comparing the other R benchmark results:

Athlon64: 8:04.07 (OUCH!)
Mac G5: 10:28.547
Athlon64 time is 77% that of the Mac or you might say the Athlon64 was "29.8% faster" (Note that testing at Ace's show that the AMD64 spanks the P4 in this application as well)

Today's (Java/XML) benchmark:

Athlon64: 2:29
Mac G5: 2:49
Athlon64 time is 88% that of the Mac or you might say the Athlon64 was "13.4%
faster"

I just did one more benchmark, and this one favors the Mac--insanely. But I suspect it might be using the 2nd processor, and it's using a codec that is probably better optimized to show off the Mac. I took a 26 minute MP3 file and had iTunes convert it to the AAC codec using iTunes on the Mac and on the Athlon64. The results were:

Athlon64: 206 seconds
Mac G5: 47 seconds
Mac time is 22.8% the time of the Athlon64 or you might say the Mac was 4.3
times faster!"

In summary, The budget AMD64 system held its own against the Mac. I have no idea how much the MP3 benchmark could be constrained by the single memeory channel of the AMD64.

Note: ITunes is favored towards a Mac because it was made on the Mac. But what is surprising is how the Double CPU Mac G5 2.5GHz could not even hold ground against a single processor lower-end AMD 64. This comes to great surprise (since I have my own machine overclocked to the 3200+ Speed, this means according to these tests, my computer outperforms the G5)

The G5 is NOT the fastest CPU on the market, and the fact that the Dual G5 2.5GHz could not even beat a single processor Athlon 64 3200+, which isn't even the best AMD 64-bit CPU out, should of some concern to Apple. What about we play fair, and do a dual AMD versus the dual G5. No chance for the G5 again.

I totally PWNED you in this AMD Zen. I'm sorry, but you got made to look like a complete fool.

 

[DarkBlade1]

The dual 2.0GHz is what you are refering to. I am talking about the dual 2.5GHz edition! Go away... My info is correct! Whatever you want to argue, I refuse to take part in!