Lord Kalthorn I'll give you this,with windows sp2 installed ie is better than it used to be and the features such as having activex autoinstaller disabled is extreamly useful and it is a vast improvement on any other browser microsoft have produced. bu the bottom line is that microsoft will need to pull their finger out and recode a new browser from scratch for it to match firefox. i've now used firefox for a year and would never go back. but for the average user who goes online to check the sport for 5 mins on a dial up connection ie is fine. fire fox however is much more suited for broadband or dsl connections as it is more secure and has a much more convenient user interface.