im shore this convosation is just going around and around and around in cercles. i say we back up dave, becoz he is for 1 is are admin 2 without him you lot wouldent be on here having fun. If you have a problem theres many ofther forums with these prefreces. Remember his is trying to sort out a big problem with ntl. he cant even get on his own forum at home due to ntl's ignorance, and nor can 100's more users too eg. rocker and *devilhack. (*iv just found that out thro doge convosation lol) So come one everyone thets support are admin and stop acting like children even tho some of you proble still are.