Photoshop or Fireworks?

[mayorredbeard]

Now I have both. But I really can't tell the difference between the two programs. Fireworks is made by macromedia for those of you who do not know. I really just wnated other peoples opinions on this, from people who have used both programs. The only difference i can tell is that fireworks (to me) has a little bit more user friendly feel to it, but without the cool effects. I would prefer opinions from people who have used both programs, they seem the same, why isn't fireworks used more and more widely known?

[MarxSoccer]

I use Photoshop. I have been in GFX for a while now, and still going strong. 99% of the GFX makers I know use Photoshop, it's just.. better. I am affiliated with a few GFX sites, such as www.g2-graphics.com www.digital-demons.com www.climb-x.com , and www.nationalsigleague.com

Sorry if I make you feel noobish, or jsut giving you pointless info, I have no idea how new to te GFX scene you are. If you need some tutorials, www.good-tutorials.com is a great site.

Hope I helped you!

[mayorredbeard]

Oh no im not a n00b to gfx really, just starting up in getting paid for my work actually. And recently, someone asked me what program i used, and I said "it depends." For more difficult projects and higher paying jobs I use photoshop. I just can't tell the difference, and to me fireworks seems on par with photoshop, so i just dont get why its not widely used.

*To proove my not n00b-ness*
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/themuffinman1497/testbanner2linesv2.png

Theres a lil picture of something i recently did, i just took out the company name,

[MarxSoccer]

If you showed that sig off at any respected GFX site, you would get killed. Haha, sorry. I'm sure your business type work is a little different from what I'm used/into. Here are few of my sig's:

http://img97.echo.cx/img97/5359/g2bannercopy9zh.png
http://img97.echo.cx/img97/3573/g2stick20qb3ls.jpg
http://img169.echo.cx/img169/3307/optus24jh.jpg

[MarxSoccer]

http://img169.echo.cx/img169/6051/pressiemeca0ht.jpg
http://img169.echo.cx/img169/1161/veritas18yi.jpg
http://img169.echo.cx/img169/5290/veritas23hr.jpg
http://img169.echo.cx/img169/1002/veritaslovesboner6yc.jpg

[Mental Liberator]

^
Damn those are nice!

[MarxSoccer]

Thanks!

[rdcmmnst]

aren't those guys from starwars republic commando? I have Phtoshop elemtns could i do that with this program??

[Assassin_666]

i havent used photoshop before for anything really. i had a frends dad who uses this stuff professionally have a look at it with me for a project so i could try to do what i was attempting (not that it worked).

now some of the stuff that i have done in my spare time (and its all just self taught from mucking around with the stuff) is done purely in PaintShop Pro.

in the little that i remember from Photoshop i dont see PaintShop as being much different. its pretty user friendly (in my opinion).

but i do remember work experience at a computers place they guy i was watching doing the graphics n stuff was always getting frustrated with fireworks. he claimed photoshop to be much better than fireworks.

ive never had any experience with fireworks myself though to offer a valid comment on this.

i only ask another question:

why isnt PaintShop so popular? and what makes this so?

[Kage]

You'll find Photoshop the best for manipulating images anyway :)

Fireworks is more of a web based program used to build simple webpages using simple graphics which can then be lowered down in qulaity and such for webpages, so doesn't have the wide varierity of choices Photoshop has (though still has some effects),
I also don't think its as user friendly for making images as Photoshop though which is weird you think the other way :p

though its definetly easier to draw in Fireworks than Photoshop since it uses the same type of interface as Flash does, as you can draw properly (Macromedia), rather than Photoshop that uses aqward shapes and weird layers which makes it very hard to make complex images without a program alongside with it if you wanted to do some designing as well as image manipulating.

Though i'd say Photoshop to manuipulate effects (better all round really),
and using Fireworks to make the vector images you might need to make complex images if you need them (I use Flash to do this, though still uses Vector since its built by Macromedia).

Then you'd save out of Photoshop with the manipulated image, and go back into Fireworks, where you'd build the website using the images you have made in both together, and lower quality if need be for dialup connections, and that'd be rather kewl, so each one has its own special qualities.

i hope this helps :)

BanChan I agree :p Those sigs are excellent!!!

[Ps2 GaMeR]

Fireworks is only used for Flash, PhotoShop Is used for the Noobs that cant really do nothing, PhotoShop CS is for advanced which i use, anyway, i would go with FIREWORKS, i have it and i am learning, takes time, but once you know what to do, you can make any flash.


GOOD LUK

[rdcmmnst]

Kage where do you learn all of this??

[Kage]

I pick it up :p Plus in my college stuff, we've used both :)

[rdcmmnst]

Noone has really answered me yet what is the difference between photoshop cs or photoshop elements?

[mayorredbeard]

Kage where do you learn all of this??

a lil magic knowledge leprechaun follows him around. And whenever the magic leprechaun passes someone he steals their smartness, then he beats Kage with a golfclub, and kage gets their knowledge. Then Kage hops to his computer on one leg and then shares his knowledge with us.

[Ps2 GaMeR]

lmao, he searches it in Google then copys it, lol easy, sometimes he knows the answer, he is a very good help aswell

[Kage]

a lil magic knowledge leprechaun follows him around. And whenever the magic leprechaun passes someone he steals their smartness, then he beats Kage with a golfclub, and kage gets their knowledge. Then Kage hops to his computer on one leg and then shares his knowledge with us.

What the heck? :p... Did I help though? :)

and no i don't copy from google...i'm insulted you would think that... :p well...didn't research at all to answer that one

[Ps2 GaMeR]

well all your answers have correct spelling and are to much knowlege to have a crap job

[Kage]

yuo what? :o Yeah..i take time in my spelling. Don't when I'm on MSN for example though... you should know that of all people :p

[rdcmmnst]

why is everyone after you kage?? They shouldn't be you're at the core of this very forum. Moderators hello??

[MarxSoccer]

Fireworks is only used for Flash, PhotoShop Is used for the Noobs that cant really do nothing, PhotoShop CS is for advanced which i use, anyway, i would go with FIREWORKS, i have it and i am learning, takes time, but once you know what to do, you can make any flash.


GOOD LUK

Photoshop is for noobs that can't do anything? Are you insane? The best GFX Designers I know use Photoshop. Think and/or LEARN before you speak, please.

Oh, and I'll try to dig up some manips i've done for you guys ;)

[mayorredbeard]

marx no offense, I don't do that kind of graphic work. More professional stuff, something you could put outside on a banner (those are really simple), or a design for something to put on a van (the thing i put up). All those the ones you did posted were kicka$$. Theres two different kidns of photoshop, one is free i know that, ill post a link to it if i find it. I think thats the one he's talking about, not the one that cost like $100's and everyoen uses.

[aaron12345]

There is not an Adobe Photoshop that is free. There is Photoshop elements which is cheap (like $100ish) and Photoshop CS which is the latest full version ($800 ish). I use Macromedia Fireworks for navigation bars on websites when I don't feel like typing the swap images in javascript, vector images that need to be heavily compressed, and more layout stuff. Anything complicated, and most other things that can bear to be a little bigger I will do in photoshop. If I'm making a website thats target audience is purely broadband users I will just skip to photoshop because image size matters much less, especially when it is flash heavy and would be painful over dial-up anyways. You do have to think about bandwidth considerations and hosting costs with using lots of large photoshop images because images eat up data transfer faster than you think, personally however I'm on an unmetered fiber line at my house where I have my server setup so I host all sites except for those that are truly mission critical from here where bandwidth cost is not an object.

[MarxSoccer]

I use Photoshop 7.0. Cracked, of course.

[Wombät]

I use Photoshop 7.0. Cracked, of course.
Ooooooppps! :mad:

[setishock]

Photoshop is for noobs that can't do anything? Are you insane? The best GFX Designers I know use Photoshop. Think and/or LEARN before you speak, please.

Oh, and I'll try to dig up some manips i've done for you guys ;)
marxsoccer and ps2 gamer take note>>>
Your behavour is unacceptable. I will not tolerate this sort of bashing. Do it again and I'm sure you're not gonna like what happens next...
marxsoccer>>>
And as for the comment of using cracked warez, well that was strike 2...

[Brookfield]

why is everyone after you kage?? They shouldn't be you're at the core of this very forum. Moderators hello??
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, Kage is basicly a good guy, if you ignore the big big front he puts on.

[rdcmmnst]

So photoshop elements doesn't have all the features. Is it more for beginners?

[MarxSoccer]

Haha, you guys make me laugh. You can ban me, whatever. This site is basically dead. Lawl.

[Kage]

if you ignore the big big front he puts on.

What did you mean by that? I'd like an explanation of that please...

I don't angree with some of these comments though. Photoshop (all the types) can produce great effects and could be used in the industry,a nd it is purely for image editing as we have seen, though you can create some very good work within it too purely of your own (all texture based)

Fireworks is different. Its not even meant to be a image editor... its a Vector tool used to make simple webpages. In my knowledge you can't do that in photoshop, so they are two completly different programs that can't be set side by side to be honest.

What can be done though, is they can be used together to produce some great images to put onto websites :p okay?

[rdcmmnst]

This thread has lost its purpose.

[setishock]

Now the mod has had enough and the poster is lathered.
So I'll close this thread with the dread of another one gone sour.

The cutter machine maker might be a good source of info to make that desision. You would need something that could make a file that would be compatable with the cutting machine.